tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post6102748916308644879..comments2024-03-02T07:40:22.786+03:00Comments on Only Solitaire blog: King Crimson: DisciplineUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-80183412775223227022018-05-16T04:19:28.169+03:002018-05-16T04:19:28.169+03:00Another clue is in the D verse, which goes:
Talk
...Another clue is in the D verse, which goes:<br /><br />Talk<br />Talk<br />It's only talk<br />Debates<br />Discussions<br />These are words with a D this time<br />Dialogue<br />Dualogue<br />Diatribe<br /><br />Dissention<br />Declamation<br />Double talk<br />Double talkAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13971126683374980239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-74486363482488490692018-05-16T04:09:25.003+03:002018-05-16T04:09:25.003+03:00"As Adrian shouts out lengthy foreign words f..."As Adrian shouts out lengthy foreign words from dictionaries in a rally-like style, concluding each outburst with a reproachful "it's only talk!","<br /><br />I think you're missing the point of Elephant Talk. Belew is not shouting out foreign words, he is using English words. The key to it is that all the words used in each verse start with the same letter (A, B, C, D, and E) and that they are all words that describe different types of speech.<br /><br />Your example, "brouhaha, boulderdash and ballyhoo" (actually the middle word is balderdash) is a perfect example, with the following definitions:<br /><br />Brouhaha: a noisy and overexcited reaction or response to something.<br /><br />Balderdash: senseless talk or writing; nonsense.<br /><br />Ballyhoo: extravagant publicity or fuss. praise or publicize extravagantly.<br /><br />I think it is an extremely clever lyrical use of the English language. It is extremely intelligent and somewhat complex, so it fits with the KC and Fripp image.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13971126683374980239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-10205682634694505962018-05-14T19:46:12.355+03:002018-05-14T19:46:12.355+03:00I don't think it's that condescending when...I don't think it's that condescending when I agree with many things you have said concerning most of the real "ground breaking sounds" we are talking about in regards to the Talking Heads were created really by Brian Eno and David Byrne with more emphasis on Eno in my mind. Proof being found in My Life in The Bush of Ghosts as an example of the things you brought up.Teddy Pighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660335158038390871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-76652728064557177522018-05-14T09:04:55.220+03:002018-05-14T09:04:55.220+03:00You can take issue with this, but I stand by the s...You can take issue with this, but I stand by the statement firmly. Yes, Genesis, and everybody else made a run for the charts, some of them doing better than others, but none of them surpassing or even matching their original work in depth and excitement. Fripp took a completely different approach; no less a "risk" than anybody else, but with much higher payoffs. Considering that they are doing tons of stuff here that Talking Heads would never be able to pull off, it is a bit too condescending calling them a "Talking Heads back up band". G. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05848634884798924824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-37400905173593389972018-05-14T02:30:23.001+03:002018-05-14T02:30:23.001+03:00Now you're talking about "real achievemen...Now you're talking about "real achievement." A lack of "Honest effort" was what struck me as an overly harsh judgment of Asia and latter-day Yes. They can't all be classics -- my point was that many classics aimed for commercial success as much or more than anything. So let's not judge the lesser acts who do so too harshly. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09048283967112235202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-28752830320194005252018-05-14T02:01:30.198+03:002018-05-14T02:01:30.198+03:00"the single best example of an old-time progr..."the single best example of an old-time progressive rock act creatively adapting to the radically new standards of intelligent music making"<br /><br />Can I take issue with this? What about Yes, What about Genesis? You can even argue Jethro freaking Tull, Rush, hell even Styx can fall backwards into this description at some point. <br /><br />Is it even really all that innovative when... you are right, you summarized it correctly... they basically are jamming as some unofficial Talking Heads back up band without the great catchy song writing and the all around commercial appeal of MTV videos etc?<br /><br />It's all well and good that King Crimson has some brilliant albums and they could do some epic jams BUT they were always a critics darling without the radio success and they just basically kept doing that same underground thing even when they found a new sound to do it with. Not that surprising really since there was only one member that mattered.<br /><br />I like KC fine but I think there are other progressive bands (groups of talented professional people) that took far greater risks modernizing their sounds and risking their combined reputations and careers than something that's best described, especially in it's later incarnation, as one guys vanity project... King Crimson.Teddy Pighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660335158038390871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-84781899031686139172018-05-13T23:13:09.568+03:002018-05-13T23:13:09.568+03:00Well, I can mention plenty of artists and songs th...Well, I can mention plenty of artists and songs that besides the commercial success we can also find innovation and real achievement. The spirit was different: Good vibrations, Tomorrow never knows, Eleaanor Rigby, Strawberry Fields, Happiness is a warm gun, Vodoo Child, Roundabout, Red, No Quarter, Time among many others. Enrique Chadicovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17738071052601712243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-83143240732947890952018-05-13T15:43:06.252+03:002018-05-13T15:43:06.252+03:00Kind of opens up a can of worms, though, when a ba...Kind of opens up a can of worms, though, when a band might just have honestly been trying to cash in. The classics Satisfaction, Can't Explain, Please Please Me all might fall under that heading. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09048283967112235202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-27786758727711288912018-05-13T13:03:31.832+03:002018-05-13T13:03:31.832+03:00ASIA could be another example. But neither ASIA no...ASIA could be another example. But neither ASIA nor YES records were honest efforts but more cash in projects. At the time I was 13 years old and I used to enjoy it (Owner of a lonely heart, Don't cry) but 35 years later these works are far away from classics. Enrique Chadicovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17738071052601712243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-41655652105891671782018-05-13T12:02:32.368+03:002018-05-13T12:02:32.368+03:00The new A Perfect Circle album is kinda weak. I ho...The new A Perfect Circle album is kinda weak. I hope the new Tool album will fare much better.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02978512198085290110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-15649990949601613582018-05-13T06:54:17.662+03:002018-05-13T06:54:17.662+03:00"It introduces a trilogy of records that is a..."It introduces a trilogy of records that is arguably the single best example of an old-time progressive rock act creatively adapting to the radically new standards of intelligent music making"<br /><br />As far as one album goes, Yes 90125 comes to mind as a comparable achievement. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09048283967112235202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-49535550684482981352018-05-13T06:52:22.880+03:002018-05-13T06:52:22.880+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09048283967112235202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-51406220880682979402018-05-13T00:41:06.536+03:002018-05-13T00:41:06.536+03:00Discipline (the track) is interesting, but Indisci...Discipline (the track) is interesting, but Indiscipline is much better. Just listen closely to Bruford's performance on this track.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-5887311962799735942018-05-12T11:47:05.411+03:002018-05-12T11:47:05.411+03:00"The same kind of paranoid funk; the same typ..."The same kind of paranoid funk; the same type of impression where two guitars and one bass sound like three frightened, scurrying insects running in circles; the same kind of mildly psychotic, babbling, perturbed vocalist who spends more time shouting and hiccuping than actually singing."<br /><br />I have not listened to this great album in a couple of decades, but this passage above brings it right back, describes it to a T. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-39686176190034111122018-05-12T05:30:44.122+03:002018-05-12T05:30:44.122+03:00When I first heard this album I was thrown by how ...When I first heard this album I was thrown by how much like the talking heads it sounded like. Eventually I came around when I realized that, great as the talking heads were, they could never play music as complex and multi-sided as this. Of course I later found out that they were all sipping from the same musical stew so to speak and you can't really claim anyone was "ripping off" anyone else. Always wonderful to read your writing about an album you love George; the passion really shines through!Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04758690057578436214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-83809220789335209772018-05-11T21:47:14.321+03:002018-05-11T21:47:14.321+03:00Neutral.Neutral.G. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05848634884798924824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-60701987204147550452018-05-11T20:23:24.427+03:002018-05-11T20:23:24.427+03:00What's your opinion on the band Tool, George?What's your opinion on the band Tool, George?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-84352160169647397402018-05-11T17:46:20.048+03:002018-05-11T17:46:20.048+03:00You, sir, have a very weird sense of humor sometim...You, sir, have a very weird sense of humor sometimes. But a weird sense of humor is quite appropriate for a King Crimson page.G. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05848634884798924824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-660808341284783109.post-28061804874344673842018-05-11T17:24:46.123+03:002018-05-11T17:24:46.123+03:00"then it should be the best math-rock album e..."then it should be the best math-rock album ever made, period."<br />I rather prefer the Japanese female outfit Tricto, because I think the contrast of "complex playing technique" (including weird tonalities and equally weird rhtythms) and melodies sung in a fluffy poppy manner irresistable. Of course you could counter by saying that exactly the latter doesn't make Tricot a pure mathrock band. In the end your remark equally of course is just an excuse to promote a band I like and you will not review any time soon.MNbnoreply@blogger.com